Posts by Ray Frankz

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When was the book of Lamentations written?

by Jules Saturn in

so i was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the wbts states that the writing of the book of lamentations was written by jeremiah near jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc.

chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe jehovah's anger towards jerusalem and the terrible effects of jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. can someone clear this up?

was this book written in 607?

Ray Frankz

It happens obviously after Jerusalem's destruction. Since WT NEEDS it to be in 607, there you have their date for this book.

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JWs shunning other active JWs

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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how many others have noticed how common it is for active jws to ostracize and shun other active jws?

as far back as i can recall, jws have had an ongoing problem with cliques within congregations, and special needs talks would be given from time to time to address that trend.

but, it seems to me that the practice has become even more pronounced with entire congregations actively shunning other congregations.

Ray Frankz

The Org wants exactly this when they refer to that action as "taking note of the wrongdoers" based on Paul's words.

Also, if a congregation follows strictly all the ruled from the org, the JWs will feel under too much pressure from their elders. Then, if they get to know of another cong that doesn't take the rules soo 'right', they (actually feel jealous for the partial freedom) tend to criticize this less madatory cong, elders etc. in order to they feel that their suffering is justified.

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When exactly did Jesus become king? The Insight Book tells us.

by The Fall Guy in

it-2 pp.

61-62 jesus christ - "they [1st century christians] recognized him as their lord........because of his kingly position and authority.

it was in the full regal as well as priestly authority represented by jesus’ name that his followers preached.....to the “name” of this divinely commissioned king, the lord jesus christ.

Ray Frankz

I know the guy that wrote the insight books and he was awake at the time. I think he was doing his best in writing this stuff but not going completely back over to the dark side.

CrazyGuy, seriously? It's well known that the team who wrote Aid to understanding were awake. But the guys who made this "update" too? LOL the current GB probably will avoid even thinking of the existence of a Biblical Dictionary of their own.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Ray Frankz

In simple words:

Claim: JW position Checking

God has a name Correct
His name in the OT is

YHWH Correct

Some people translated

it to Jehovah and it's not

wrong Maybe

The name YHWH is

present in the NT Incorrect

Christians used to speak

the name when quoting the

OT Maybe

It would make ok to

change what is written by

adding the YHWH. Incorrect

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Ray Frankz

You obviously need to get out more.

I said what is true in my case and in my location, which I assume is very far from yours and most of the mebers of this forum's.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Race/Culture

by kneehighmiah in

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i have also attended spanish congregations.

this has helped me to understand and respect totally different perspectives and narratives on race.

please be respectful during this discussion.

Ray Frankz

The GB are recentely pushing this on everybody> "Look we are really a world-wide brotherhood. Look this pictures of african brothers and sisters waving to a selfie. There are all kinds of people with us."

except if they wear a beard. In this case they kick you no matter your race.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Ray Frankz

Well I didn't read all the 14 pgs of replies but I saw a lot of downvotes in the main post of SBF. I don't think it was necessary. As some of you have said, sometimes the JW get it right, normally this 'right' actually comes from biblical scholars from the past (ones that the org classify as part of Babylon). The part that 'praised' the JW was from a published non witnesses' book and SBF only raised some questions. What I learned from Raymond Franz, Penton and Jonsson was simply that there is not a special organization down here on Earth for God's service. All of them are imperfect and have plenty of flaws, but THERE IS ALSO GOOD PARTS IN MANY OF THEM( I consider the JW environment way morally purer than other groups in my surroundings and it makes me feel good, maybe not you. I consider the Catholic art amazing, and the humanitarian service of many churches and example to follow). If these good parts are worthy to join anyone of them is to each individual decide.

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What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

by Jules Saturn in

what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

are you a born again christian?

have you joined another denomination of christianity?

Ray Frankz

I feel extremely difficult to decide if I stick to or leave the earthly hope. I am pretty sure that the Bible doesn't emphazise this as much as the org wants it to look like but I still can't buy that the humans won't ever have a taste of what is like being perfect in a physical word.

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Question for those who went to the RC

by joe134cd in

i'm just curious with all the happy clapping that is now going on with the singing at the conventions.

what has been the reaction to it with the r&f.

has anyone ever commented that it reminded them of a pentecostal revival meeting.

Ray Frankz

It's not that it's bad. It's actually good. The point is that it was unthinkable 10 years ago and as usual they don't even recognize they reproved this behavior that time. a big part of the JW community is acting like it has been this way (happy, clapping, dancing songs) always . It's all 1984 Orwell rewriting of the past.

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Believers: How do you know your view of your chosen holy book is the correct one?

by punkofnice in

don't start fighting, darlings.

i am genuinely curious.

after all i was a jobo 50 years and thought the wbt$ was 100% correct.. i ask this because i see that, for example, christian denominations (or whatever), likely have differing interpretations of the same writing.

Ray Frankz

I don't believe the Bible is 100% inspired. I just believe in a God and I think Christ was a role model and I try to learn about him in order to becoming a better person.

No I don't have proof he existed. I don't think a person has to be proved real to inspire others, see the books and comic books heros.